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		<title>Comment on 2666 [books] by Abel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeebus.  You&#039;ll never lose your colors.  How&#039;s it going!?  When are your finals over? Got time tomorrow or this weekend to catch up?  (please feel free to delete this comment that should have otherwise taken place over email, twitter, or {oh god shoot me} facebook ;) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeebus.  You&#8217;ll never lose your colors.  How&#8217;s it going!?  When are your finals over? Got time tomorrow or this weekend to catch up?  (please feel free to delete this comment that should have otherwise taken place over email, twitter, or {oh god shoot me} facebook <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>Comment on cory doctorow calls out the american association of publishers by Recent Links Tagged With "doctorow" - JabberTags</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recent Links Tagged With "doctorow" - JabberTags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Fri 02-1-2009   “Printcrime” by Corey Doctorow Saved by lamalover221 on Mon 29-12-2008   cory doctorow calls out the american association of publishers Saved by itachi80 on Fri 26-12-2008   The Cross Hatch Dispatch 8/12/08 Saved by masterblue00 on Thu [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on Fri 02-1-2009   “Printcrime” by Corey Doctorow Saved by lamalover221 on Mon 29-12-2008   cory doctorow calls out the american association of publishers Saved by itachi80 on Fri 26-12-2008   The Cross Hatch Dispatch 8/12/08 Saved by masterblue00 on Thu [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on thirty things you learn from watching current british sci-fi [sci-fi] by UNCONVENTIONAUT » A Really Nice Post on Lessons Learned from Recent British SF.</title>
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		<dc:creator>UNCONVENTIONAUT » A Really Nice Post on Lessons Learned from Recent British SF.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on thirty things you learn from watching current british sci-fi [sci-fi] by Things you learn from British SF &#171; Conventioneers!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Things you learn from British SF &#171; Conventioneers!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] learn from British&#160;SF  15 12 2008   My friend over at liniment &amp; lead posted a fun list of thirty things you learn from current British SF: 05. Creepy people are creepy for a reason. Children are automatically creepy and are much more [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on cory doctorow calls out the american association of publishers by Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something more innovative like this:
http://civic.mit.edu/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something more innovative like this:<br />
<a href="http://civic.mit.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://civic.mit.edu/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on cory doctorow calls out the american association of publishers by caldwell</title>
		<link>http://caldwellian.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/cory-doctorow-calls-out-the-american-association-of-publishers/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks; this article is awesome. I&#039;ll probably give it a little write-up in a bit.

With that quote above, though, it&#039;s worth mentioning that the hand-wringers now aren&#039;t the Church but the humanities, which doesn&#039;t necessarily have a vested interest in controlling the means of production&#8212;though it&#039;s equally worth pointing out that it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; kind of acting like the Church&#8212;wanting to control who gets to read what, what counts as literature, &amp;c.&#8212;in which case the humanities is in for a nasty surprise. Because they can&#039;t maintain this kind of control any more than the Church could. And if the humanities becomes the same kind of sinking ship, the smart, creative people&#8212;who could do the integrative work between the humanities (which does, I think, have a lot to offer) &amp; tech&#8212;are simply going to jump ship &amp; pursue something more innovative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks; this article is awesome. I&#8217;ll probably give it a little write-up in a bit.</p>
<p>With that quote above, though, it&#8217;s worth mentioning that the hand-wringers now aren&#8217;t the Church but the humanities, which doesn&#8217;t necessarily have a vested interest in controlling the means of production&mdash;though it&#8217;s equally worth pointing out that it <em>is</em> kind of acting like the Church&mdash;wanting to control who gets to read what, what counts as literature, &amp;c.&mdash;in which case the humanities is in for a nasty surprise. Because they can&#8217;t maintain this kind of control any more than the Church could. And if the humanities becomes the same kind of sinking ship, the smart, creative people&mdash;who could do the integrative work between the humanities (which does, I think, have a lot to offer) &amp; tech&mdash;are simply going to jump ship &amp; pursue something more innovative.</p>
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		<title>Comment on cory doctorow calls out the american association of publishers by Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Clay Shirky has some interesting things to say specifically here at Penguin.com:
http://us.penguingroup.com/static/html/blogs/tools-and-transformations-clay-shirky

&quot;It&#039;s worth noting that most of the arguments made against the printing press were correct, even prescient. Readily available translations of scripture did destroy the Church as a pan-European institution. Most of the material produced by the new class of publishers was flyweight. Scribes did lose their social function. And so on, through a battery of transformations including public scrutiny of elites, the international spread of political foment, and even literate women.&quot;

and here in general:
http://www.herecomeseverybody.org/
http://www.shirky.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Clay Shirky has some interesting things to say specifically here at Penguin.com:<br />
<a href="http://us.penguingroup.com/static/html/blogs/tools-and-transformations-clay-shirky" rel="nofollow">http://us.penguingroup.com/static/html/blogs/tools-and-transformations-clay-shirky</a></p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s worth noting that most of the arguments made against the printing press were correct, even prescient. Readily available translations of scripture did destroy the Church as a pan-European institution. Most of the material produced by the new class of publishers was flyweight. Scribes did lose their social function. And so on, through a battery of transformations including public scrutiny of elites, the international spread of political foment, and even literate women.&#8221;</p>
<p>and here in general:<br />
<a href="http://www.herecomeseverybody.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.herecomeseverybody.org/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.shirky.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.shirky.com/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on CCL, e-books, &amp; cory doctorow on the future of reading by villainousness</title>
		<link>http://caldwellian.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/ccl-e-books-cory-doctorow-on-the-future-of-reading/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>villainousness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Villainousness says : I absolutely agree with this !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Villainousness says : I absolutely agree with this !</p>
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		<title>Comment on CCL, e-books, &amp; cory doctorow on the future of reading by caldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. That&#039;s interesting. The syntax of our generation&#8212;or the syntactic principles, the way our brains handle it&#8212;I think is very different, even from people writing not all that many years before us.

Cognitively it is everywhere&#8212;things that we&#039;re simply inclined to accept as fact were just about unthinkable a generation ago.

But it&#039;s weird, right? I don&#039;t know about &lt;em&gt;Down &amp; Out&lt;/em&gt;, but &lt;em&gt;Someone Comes to Town&lt;/em&gt; didn&#039;t strike me as all that, well, weird, in the ways that you&#039;re talking about, the specifically linguistic ways. I&#039;d love to see concrete examples of what you&#039;re talking about (this is the pedagogical weirdo in me). From the other side, Jeff Noon&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Vurt&lt;/em&gt;-cycle works&#8212;begun in the midnineties&#8212;feel like they possess the kind of syntax you&#039;re talking about. That&#039;s part of why he&#039;s so seductive; netspeak, netsyntax, become in his hands startlingly lyrical.

Heinlein, Asimov, et al. are definitely from another era entirely. I think it might be more helpful to compare these writers you sense are new with some of the classic cyberpunk writers, old Gibson, Sterling, &amp;c. Across their own oeuvres, even, since they&#039;re still writing. How have they changed? Can we loosely quantify what&#039;s different? Is it simply that they imagined this future, but we live in it?

(Full disclosure: I&#039;m also using you as a soundingboard because this language stuff&#8212;especially as it pertains to sf&#8212;is really interesting.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. That&#8217;s interesting. The syntax of our generation&mdash;or the syntactic principles, the way our brains handle it&mdash;I think is very different, even from people writing not all that many years before us.</p>
<p>Cognitively it is everywhere&mdash;things that we&#8217;re simply inclined to accept as fact were just about unthinkable a generation ago.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s weird, right? I don&#8217;t know about <em>Down &amp; Out</em>, but <em>Someone Comes to Town</em> didn&#8217;t strike me as all that, well, weird, in the ways that you&#8217;re talking about, the specifically linguistic ways. I&#8217;d love to see concrete examples of what you&#8217;re talking about (this is the pedagogical weirdo in me). From the other side, Jeff Noon&#8217;s <em>Vurt</em>-cycle works&mdash;begun in the midnineties&mdash;feel like they possess the kind of syntax you&#8217;re talking about. That&#8217;s part of why he&#8217;s so seductive; netspeak, netsyntax, become in his hands startlingly lyrical.</p>
<p>Heinlein, Asimov, et al. are definitely from another era entirely. I think it might be more helpful to compare these writers you sense are new with some of the classic cyberpunk writers, old Gibson, Sterling, &amp;c. Across their own oeuvres, even, since they&#8217;re still writing. How have they changed? Can we loosely quantify what&#8217;s different? Is it simply that they imagined this future, but we live in it?</p>
<p>(Full disclosure: I&#8217;m also using you as a soundingboard because this language stuff&mdash;especially as it pertains to sf&mdash;is really interesting.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on CCL, e-books, &amp; cory doctorow on the future of reading by Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we have a generation of writers who started writing in conversations online.  This will inherently change how they write prose.  Just like we had a generation of people who grew up reading the Bible and Shakespeare writing letters to each other, and then the telephone was invented and people stopped reading the Bible.  Written word changed.

I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s necessarily just SF.  Lots of younger authors write &#039;weirdly&#039; (because their words sound weird in my head.  I know it&#039;s not a very descriptive word).  It might be post-post-modernist, but I don&#039;t know what post-modernism is (and I don&#039;t think I like it), so who knows?!

I think it is worth some amount of scrutiny though.  When Doctorow and Scalzi and Bear write, it sounds nothing like Heinlein, Asimov, Le Guin, or the others of those generations.  I don&#039;t know why, but they have a different way of writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we have a generation of writers who started writing in conversations online.  This will inherently change how they write prose.  Just like we had a generation of people who grew up reading the Bible and Shakespeare writing letters to each other, and then the telephone was invented and people stopped reading the Bible.  Written word changed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s necessarily just SF.  Lots of younger authors write &#8216;weirdly&#8217; (because their words sound weird in my head.  I know it&#8217;s not a very descriptive word).  It might be post-post-modernist, but I don&#8217;t know what post-modernism is (and I don&#8217;t think I like it), so who knows?!</p>
<p>I think it is worth some amount of scrutiny though.  When Doctorow and Scalzi and Bear write, it sounds nothing like Heinlein, Asimov, Le Guin, or the others of those generations.  I don&#8217;t know why, but they have a different way of writing.</p>
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